Q&A with Stu Fegely
Ithaca Journal, October 9, 2007
Editor's note: His Holiness the Dalai Lama will lead an interfaith
session titled "Prayers for World Peace" at 10 a.m. Wednesday at the
State Theatre. The suggested reading for the event was the Dalai
Lama's book "The Good Heart: A Buddhist Perspective on the teachings
of Jesus," a transcription and analysis of a 1994 seminar featuring
His Holiness and Christians. Recently, St. Paul's United Methodist
Church of Ithaca held a month-long discussion of the book. Stu
Fegely, the chair of the Adult Spiritual Growth committee at the
church, led the discussion. He answered some questions from The
Journal about the book and the group discussion. An excerpt of the
interview is published below. The full interview is available at
www.theithacajournal.com/Opinion.
- Andrew Tutino, Opinion Editor
Q: This book drew high praise from various religious organizations.
What makes it so appealing?
A: Well, it didn't draw praise from the Christian Coalition or other
organizations from the religious right, but yes, it did receive
praise from mainstream and progressive Christian organizations and
interfaith organizations. The appeal for Christians is that here you
have the world's best-known authority on Buddhism affirming the
general principles of your scripture's teachings. The appeal for
people who are interested in learning about world religions is that
it shows the remarkable parallels between the teachings of Jesus and
Buddha.
Q: The book specifically says it is to be used as a tool for future
"interreligious dialogues." Do you think it serves that purpose?
A: Yes it does. The tone of the seminar was one of openness,
sensitivity and mutual respect for each other's faith traditions and
scriptures.
Q: The event where the discussions in the book took place occurred in
1994, and the book was published in 1996. How are its messages and
themes relevant today? Can you give one or two examples?
A: The messages are as relevant today as they were 2,000 years ago,
let alone 13 years ago! Much of it is as relevant as today's
headlines. The Dalai Lama has probably had his share of people
telling him that the Tibetans need to resort to violent tactics if
they ever want to be free from the Chinese occupation. Jesus lived in
an occupied country and also had his share of people urging him to
lead a revolt against the Romans. But that's not what Jesus'
teachings were about, and it's not what Buddhist teaching is about.
Q: What do you think of the parallels between the Christian and
Buddhist faiths? Can you give an example of one that is important to
you?
A: Although the Dalai Lama cautioned against pushing the parallels
too far, it was amazing how every Gospel passage he read reminded him
of something in Buddhist teaching or scripture. The parallel I found
most important is the one between Jesus' command to "Love your
enemies and pray for your persecutors" and the Buddhist text, "If you
do not practice compassion toward your enemy then toward whom can you
practice it?" This is such a radical and counter-intuitive concept,
and the fact that Jesus and Buddha, living 500 years and 3,000 miles
apart, both came up with the same concept, is something to make you
sit up and take notice. My feeling is that they had both tapped into
the same divine source, and the wisdom flowed out of them.
Q: What was the most important piece of information you took from
this book?
A: The idea of being able to appreciate both the parallels and the
differences among the world's religions, all while maintaining the
integrity of your own faith tradition.
On one hand, there are plenty of Christians who believe that
Christianity is the only "true" religion, that non-Christians aren't
"saved" and so on. Obviously no one at "The Good Heart" seminar or at
our discussion group held that view. But on the other hand, the Dalai
Lama cautioned people who, in their eagerness to be tolerant and open-
minded, end up glossing over the distinct differences between
religions. He made it clear that the seminar was not about trying to
create some kind of watered-down universal religion.
He also urged people to follow the religion of their own culture and
inheritance. So to the Christian who is dabbling in Buddhism, he
suggests that they delve deeper into their own tradition and become a
genuine, good Christian. If you look around, you'll find that there
are many ancient practices within Christianity that are being
rediscovered and revived, such as meditation. So there's more to
Christianity than what you see on The 700 Club!
Q: Why did you decide to lead a workshop on it?
A: I saw on Namgyal Monastery's Web site that this book was the
suggested reading for the Dalai Lama's talk at the State Theatre. I
had never heard of it before, but when I saw that it was of the Dalai
Lama giving a Buddhist perspective on the teachings of Jesus, I
thought it would be a perfect book for us to discuss at St. Paul's.
St. Paul's is a progressive, open-minded church, and we welcome
interfaith dialogue. I wanted to publicize the event to the Ithaca
community because I figured there would be interest, and I figured
there would be people in the community who might be interested in a
church that would offer something like this. We hold a four-week book
discussion group on various topics about two or three times a year.
Q: Also, anything else you'd like to add that you think is important
is welcomed, especially about the group you led and what was
discussed there. Since I wasn't there, it is hard for me to ask
specific questions about it.
A: The discussion group went very well. There were about a dozen
"regulars" plus other drop-ins, and more than half were people from
the community and not just from St. Paul's. For the first session we
had as our guest one of the monks from Namgyal Monastery. He had just
flown in a few days earlier from the Dalai Lama's monastery in
Dharamsala, India, to help work on the sand mandala at Cornell
University. He spoke some English but mostly through an interpreter.
He gave us some basic information about Tibetan Buddhism in the
limited time we had. The group felt honored that Namgyal was gracious
enough to send these two men to speak to our group. Namgyal sure is
St. Paul's "good neighbor" on Aurora Street!
The other three sessions we spent discussing the book. Whenever we
have an adult discussion group at St. Paul's, we make a point to
create an atmosphere of trust and openness, where people can frankly
share their views, beliefs and doubts, without fear of being called
un-Christian, heretical, misguided or what have you. Rather than
claiming to have all the answers, we accept the idea of "living with
the questions." (Which happens to be the title of our latest Sunday
morning Adult Ed curriculum.)
One thing that struck many of us in the group was the theological
perspective of the Benedictine monks and nuns who participated in the
seminar in the book. Their views on the nature of heaven, God and
faith were not the rigid traditional views we might have expected.
Someone remarked, "Where were they when I was in Sunday school?"
Another common theme was how the Dalai Lama often referred to the
various schools of thought within Buddhism in general and even within
Tibetan Buddhism. Most of us Westerners lump all of Buddhism together
in one vague category. But that's like lumping Catholics, Methodists,
Quakers, Southern Baptists, etc. into one broad category.
Overall it was a great chance for people to have some stimulating,
thought-provoking discussion. It also got us excited about the Dalai
Lama's visit to Ithaca, even though most of the folks don't have
tickets!
Stu Fegely lives in Danby with his three children, Amy, Patrick and
Laura.